Warm Fuzzies, the priest and me
As we all know the LDS church tells its' members to base their lives on the feelings of the spirit not on facts or rational argument. Since the early days of my enlightenment I have been able to see how flawed this is.
As I struggled with new found facts that conflicted with my feeling I faced a struggle between to sets of conditioning. One the Mormon set and one the secular set which demanded reasoned argument. My breaking point in terms of faith came when I realised that faith cannot withstand fact. That at some point the evidence against an idea could become so compelling that an alternative conclusion was outwith the bounds of rationality.
Having come to the decision that Mormonism could not possibly be true based on the evidence presented and that to have continued to believe, in-spite of the facts, would be irrational, I have not really looked for nor stumbled into any alternative faith. However I have had religious experiences since my departure from the LDS church.
For several months after my departure, whilst still hesitant about my decision I lived with my Grandmother. My Grandmother is a life long Catholic, and over the years had educated herself in her faith. I consider her to understand Catholicism better than most. So many catholics fail to realise that they belong to a church based on a coherent theology that has been built up over thousands of years. Instead of seeking that out they get caught up in the superstitious and outward elements of the faith. Not dis-similar to the way many Mormons are - appearances being everything.
For months I attended Mass with her and actually quite enjoyed it. I enjoyed actually hearing about the teaching of Christ who at the very least has an inspiring philosophy even if I cannot decide if I can believe he is the son of god. It was refreshing to hear about his teachings and not those of a bigoted hick with masturbation on the mind or some other LDS prophet. I did start to take some comfort in the rituals too, I don't know what it is about human nature but rituals do seem to do something for many of us.
I noticed how I felt the same warm fuzzies that I always thought had been the spirit at mass. My Mormon thought patterns told me that this was because they must have been talking about something true, but even when discussing things which the LDS church oppose, like reciting the Nicene Creed I felt the same fuzzies. Brilliant I thought, and took this as evidence that warm fuzzies meant nothing, a position I still hold.
A further confirmation of my anti fuzzies resolve came last week. I was visiting a friend from uni. The last time I had seen her was on her wedding day, about a year ago. At the wedding I again felt these fuzzies. The wedding was a full Wedding Mass led by my friend's parish priest. His performance was wonderful, aided by the choir that my friend and her husband had hired for the ocassion.
The Priest who I thought was so wonderful is sitting in the dock of the High Court in Edinburgh being cross examined over the murder of a young polish woman who had been living at the priest's church. He admitted to having has sex with the girl, to being an alcholic and having had numerous affairs. As it turns out the prist was not the murderer, but his actions and reactions surrounding the murder in his church were less than valient and not befitting a man of the cloth. It was his negligence and his refusual to look into the backgrounds of those to whom he opened his doors which led to this death.
All the events took mentioned in court happened around the time of the wedding. My friend even joked last week that now she knows why he was so late for the ceremony. So my point is that the warm fuzzies show nothing. If I can get warm fuzzies from a wedding mass from a man not maintaining his vows and who's behaviour surrounding a murder was suspect to say the least then it shows nothing.
Feelings are unreliable, clouded by emotion and certainly not influenced by god. They can be manipulated by the silver tongued and through flattery, or even in the case of this priest, and Joseph Smith, by a good showman.

4 Comments:
Joe... There are more and more posts with sentiments like yours in recent times. Most have good arguments and rational thinking. Having done the same study for many years I have come to a different conclusion that do you... amid the true statements as well as the conflicts in LDS historical data, one thing still remains. It rarely gets treated but is, in my opinion, pivital for those seeking to "prove" or "disprove" "mormonism. It lies with the three witnesses of the Book of Mormon. I had an email exchange with Sandra Tanner once on the issue. Her response was the usual "the devil can appear as an angel of light" etc.... Nevertheless, she and noone that I know of disputes the events surrounding the witnesses accounts. An angel, standing 2 feet off of the ground appears to four men, shows them the plates and the voice of God comes from nowhere commanding them to testify of this event the rest of their lives. Pretty outragious claim??? Yes. But if one wants to base their religion on facts and not the "warm fuzzies" one may find more to hang their hat on than they think.
Read the letter in the D&C JS=H pages 58-59 by Oliver Cowdery. This is not a letter from a man that was confused.
To each his own though and good luck with your trek...
Two forces, Good and evil.Both have spirits that can be present.Sin and the devils present.Live the commandments God is present..
I agree with Joe that the "warm fuzzies" mean little, if anything at all. Furthermore, I disagree that the witness of 3, or 8 or however many can be considered as "proof" of the validity of mormonism.
Do a google search for, for example, cults such as Heaven's Gate that made headlines in the late 90's. Their founders somehow managed to lead otherwise 'normal' people -- certainly many more than 3 or 8 of them -- to a sincere belief in UFO's, complete with communal visions of flying saucers, voices, extraterrestrials, etc. They too bore the 'ultimate witness' of their beliefs in a grisly incident that made headlines in 1997.
If we are to believe in the 'witness' of others for deciding what is true, then we should all be fervent believers in the virgin Mary, for there have been many documented 'visions', by sometimes several otherwise normal people (even children!) through the ages.
As I was deciding whether to leave the LDS church, I remember I stumbled onto a radio program that documented the beliefs of the polygamist LDS sects of Southern UT. To my amazement, the host went on to interview several (two, three, can't remember how many) leaders of the local polygamist group. They sounded every-bit as genuine, rational, and serious in their 'testimony' of how "Brigham Young had appeared to them in a vision as they prayed in their (bishopric?) office, and witnessed to them about the righteousness of polygamy" (I'm talking around 2001-2002, here!).
So, no. I don't believe that the witness of 3, or 8, or 39 can be a reliable source of "truth."
I do, nevertheless, believe there is a 'truth' out there... what it means, and how to find it, is something that I guess I'll have to continue to seek for the rest of my life.
Good luck, Joe. He who seeks shall find. Good blog, and thanks for sharing your experience.
I think Joe is confusing warm feelings with the real presence of the Holy Ghost. I was born a catholic, became a born again christian at 18 and then joined the LDS church at 19. I have felt warm fuzzy feelings many times throughout my life. Family get togethers, weddings, nice films, the night I was 'saved' etc. These are all linked to my emotional state. I had never experienced the Holy Ghost until the LDS misionaries came to my home. It had nothing to do with my inner emtional state. They brought with them a spiritual power that I had never felt before. And when they left, it went with them. Those were the happiest days of my life. To hear the restored gospel and to experience the Holy Ghost for the first time. We can lose the Spirit and become removed from the things of God. And we're great at deceiving ourselves. Its usually because we put our will and desires before God's. I speak from experience.
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